The right way to Use Notion for Group and Productiveness With Sandra Halling

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Katie: Hey, and welcome to “The Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s wellness with an E on the top, my new line of private care merchandise. Be sure you examine them out. This episode is all about one of many instruments I take advantage of to remain productive and arranged, and that I really feel is an especially invaluable instrument. And I additionally really feel like I’m not utilizing it in addition to I might be. It’s known as Notion, and it’s an app that can be utilized on telephone or desktop. It integrates with each. And there appear to be infinite methods of utilizing it. I’m on no account an professional. So I’m right here with the techniques professional, Sandra Halling, who’s a enterprise strategist and system consultants, who loves the technological aspect. She’s been doing totally different types of this for 20 years. And now she brings her company expertise and her strategic considering to assist small companies and entrepreneurs and people at implementing Notion and the best way to use that to create a framework that helps her private life. She focuses on group and she or he guides her purchasers by way of creating private {and professional} initiatives inside Notion. And we go into a few of these ways in which she does this immediately. And it is extremely a lot a visible factor. So we discuss by way of as a lot as we are able to simply verbally right here, however she’s additionally gonna have a hyperlink within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm, that can take you to her web site and to some extra visuals on the best way to really implement this in addition to she is likely to be prepared to do a mixed course for mothers and households of the best way to use this particularly for these associated subjects. So, once more, I discover this a really, very useful instrument however I’m on no account an professional at utilizing it and I wished to usher in Sandra immediately to go deeper on Notion. Sandra, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Sandra: Hello. Thanks, Katie.

Katie: I’m so excited to speak with you and study from you immediately. One of many subjects that’s all the time developing once I ask the listeners what they need me to speak extra about is issues like group and productiveness. And an app that I’ve been most likely not even effectively utilizing, that has made my life a lot simpler known as Notion. And I really feel like I’ve a ton of room for enchancment in how I take advantage of it. And I additionally really feel like that is a tremendous instrument that’s not tremendous well-known but, particularly amongst mothers. And I feel it may be completely unimaginable. So, to start out with, I do know that you’re an professional on this, which is why I used to be so glad to speak with you immediately however stroll us by way of on a really broad degree what Notion is.

Sandra: Okay. So, Notion at its core is type of like a database. However I say that phrase, and typically individuals run for the hills. So simply know that, while you’re first diving into it, it’s actually like….. It’s a no code utility, which suggests it’s very straightforward to arrange and configure. And it’s meant to do all the pieces below the solar from deal with notes, and duties, to collaboration. And one of many stunning issues about Notion is which you could cross-reference and sync knowledge from all areas of your life to all different areas. In order that implies that it’s very versatile on the subject of designing your personal private dashboard that is smart to you and the best way you wish to run your loved ones, run your life, run your online business, and so forth.

Katie: Yeah, I really feel like I’m solely starting to barely scratch the floor of understanding what number of makes use of it has. And I take advantage of it for enterprise and likewise for type of family administration and simply maintaining observe of all the pieces I must do in my very own life in addition to, like, long-term objective monitoring. I observe one thing known as OKRs or targets and key outcomes for each enterprise and private, and I hold all of these issues in Notion. However I do know earlier than we began recording, you talked about a extremely good level, which is that there’s a studying curve on the subject of Notion. And I feel anytime we’re speaking, like, excessive degree group, it will possibly appear overwhelming at first. Definitely once I first began utilizing Notion, I used to be a bit bit caught so far as the best way to create techniques in it. And I ended up having to type of go define all of the issues I wanted to determine the best way to handle after which work from there versus simply attempting to start out creating in Notion. So if somebody’s new to it, how can they type of keep away from that overwhelm or what’s a superb place to begin simply to begin to study or begin to determine what you’re going to place in Notion to start with?

Sandra: Yeah, so one which I might throw on the market for a brand new consumer is nearly the entire notebooks and post-it notes and shoe containers that you’ve round with numerous tidbits of data, all the pieces from just like the whiteboard in your kitchen, the place you retain your menu, not less than that’s what I do, you understand, uber nerd over right here. However the entire little locations the place you have got items of data that you just don’t wanna lose observe of and begin fascinated about these as elements of your life that you might carry collectively in a coherent complete. So for those who might have form of a one-stop store for simply getting the heart beat of issues, what would that seem like in a great world? And even, like, breaking out the crayons and, like, drawing it out within the early days is a extremely good mind-set about it. As a result of Notion actually is so versatile. I feel it’s value taking the time to customise it for your self. After which the second factor is I additionally wouldn’t, like, overdo that as a result of Notion is healthier while you begin utilizing it as quickly as attainable, versus attempting to construct the proper system earlier than you dive in. And that’s the opposite factor I see individuals do lots is, like, leap in after which get so enthusiastic about how enjoyable it’s to design it as a result of it truly is enjoyable for those who like taking part in round in these kinds of issues after which neglect that it’s meant to truly make your life simpler and never form of be a distraction rabbit gap. So, it’s like discovering that glad medium between placing some thought into what you need it to seem like, what function you need it to serve, what info do you want you might manage higher or had higher observe of? So my company purchasers are often level to love their Google Drive is a large number or their stuff buried in Slack.

However my, like, private purchasers give it some thought extra for, like, you understand, monitoring their chore sheet, or funds, or perhaps well being techniques, or simply various things on the non-public aspect, even hobbies. It’s an important place to trace info on hobbies. So, it’s type of like getting the lay of the land of all of the classes after which fascinated about how you’d wanna carry it collectively and being actually helpful with your self, such as you talked about. I like that you just talked about the OKRs as a result of I observe these as properly. I feel it’s an important place to have the ability to do that prime degree planning in addition to the low degree daily activity planning. I feel that’s one thing to consider is also, like, once I construct my system, one of many issues I’ve performed is I’ve time-based perspective. So I’ve, like, a every day web page, a weekly web page. However then I even have form of matter perspective. So I’ve a enterprise homepage and a private homepage, after which additionally issues for hobbies and so forth. So it’s type of wanting on the classes. After which the third factor I’ll throw out, proper off the bat is, like, make it possible for for those who fall down the plethora of data on YouTube, about Notion is that you just go to Notion’s official channel and take a look at the movies. And I all the time counsel that even for my, like, superior customers, as a result of Notion, as an organization, once they put out movies, they focus extra on the options and the way it works, versus, like, utility and templates. And there’s numerous info and examples out on YouTube about other ways of approaching it and, like, totally different templates. However typically what will get misplaced in that’s, like, the actually easy core ideas of what’s a web page and what’s a desk? And so, like, what are the constructing blocks inside Notion that you just use to configure your system?

Katie: Received it. Okay. So I’d like to undergo a bit bit of those type of perhaps get some recommendation step-by-step on issues which are largely universally relevant to individuals listening. So, issues like all of us need to eat and most of us are planning meals for our households. And I’ve, you understand, instruments like Actual Plans that I take advantage of to do that however I additionally hold my meal plan in Notion, together with like a seasonal rotating meal plan. However you talked about a meal plan being a factor that’s nice to trace in Notion that I absolutely agree. So, stroll us by way of type of how somebody can begin doing that or what sort of, I assume not template, what sort of system they need to arrange in there to have the ability to construct on?

Sandra: Yeah. So, by way of, like, meals and meal plans, particularly, one of many issues that I like to recommend to individuals typically is to consider their teams of data, form of like separate buckets. So, for instance, I’ve a recipe log the place I’ve totally different web sites. And I’ll go on the web site and seize the prettiest image of no matter it’s and put that on the high after which have the directions and any form of notes in there. However separate recipe log, I even have a totally separate desk for, like, my menu plan. So it’s like what day am I planning to eat what, proper? And from there, I hyperlink that. Really, it’s simply round with this yesterday, my Sunday afternoon on which was taking part in round with making this work even higher than it has earlier than. So, I’m type of tremendous excited to speak about it immediately. And that’s that I linked it into what I name my every day journal or my form of, like, my digital bullet journal, if you’ll. So, I’ve this every day homepage that I’m going to that has all these reflections, which I can get into in a second. Nevertheless it has the hyperlink to journaling questions and my habits. Like, am I ingesting my water? Am I exercising? That good things after which it additionally has this show of my week and can really inform me what I plan to eat, or no matter I plan to make for dinner. And Notion has all these nice totally different show codecs, if you’ll. So, one of many issues I can do is definitely set this up in order that there’s a reminder that if we’re having stir fry for dinner, I ought to make the rice at lunchtime so I don’t neglect. You understand, it’s like that little stuff that may make our lives a lot simpler. And so determining the best way to arrange my gallery view in Notion. So it not solely shows a reasonably image of the recipe to entice me, to start out dinner prep once I ought to, and it additionally tells me, like, “Hey, what can I do at lunchtime to make my night a bit smoother?”

In order that’s type of, like, structurally how I do a meal. I’ve the totally different tables, however I’ll say, like, to even type of zoom out or go to an much more greater degree, one of many issues I prefer to level out for Notion customers is that while you’re beginning out, what’s the distinction between a web page and a desk? And the way do you make tables relate to one another in a method that makes issues simpler? Tables will be fairly particular in it’s function. Like I used to be saying, I’ve a recipe desk, however that’s very separate from my meal plan desk. And that’s separate from my digital bullet journal and behavior monitoring desk. And by doing issues like that, it provides you a bit extra flexibility and management about what you show the place. And, you understand, Notion, it’s onerous to speak over audio, proper, how versatile it’s. And I’m positive you might communicate to this too, the place you simply can management so many little nuances of what you see on numerous screens and dashboards. It’s in contrast to another house upkeep or, you understand, effort I’ve put into monitoring, like, simply all these issues that go into managing house life, actually.

Katie: That’s superior. Yeah, I really feel like I take advantage of this in so many various methods as properly. And like I mentioned, I don’t even assume I take advantage of it practically as effectively as lots of people, and particularly as you. You simply talked about a every day homepage. And I like this concept type of like a management heart for all the pieces you’d put into Notion. Are you able to stroll us by way of type of, like, the way you set that up and all of the issues that you just carry on there, and the way you then go from there and to all the pieces else you observe?

Sandra: Yeah. Yeah. So I like that you just requested that as a result of my every day web page is definitely the place I begin my day, every single day. And actually, it’s so vital to my course of that oftentimes… It’s additionally the place I finish my day if I’m being in line with my habits. And so, I’ve… One of many issues I love to do is do examine ins at numerous level through the day. And for me, a check-in is a set of questions that I prefer to ask myself to only form of, like, actually examine in to see how I’m feeling that day, what I wish to accomplish that day, if there’s something I’m worrying about, actually only a pause from form of the, I hate to say grind as a result of that’s not likely what I imply. However you get what I’m saying. Like, that day in day trip the type of, we get into computerized pilot, a greater method of claiming it. And having the check-ins for it’s a large method of me zooming within the midst of the day and deciding how I need a few hours to go. So, my every day web page is the place I’ve my examine ins positioned and I set these up as template button. So I’ve a preset record of questions which are in a web page. And so all I’ve to do is click on the template button and it pops open a brand new web page with all my questions and I fill them out. After which I suppose all in a mirrored image database. So I can go and see that, like, you understand, on December 14th, I used to be speaking about stability. That’s the tag I’ve on it for this morning. After which from there on my every day web page, I’ve a hyperlink to a separate desk, the one I used to be speaking about for form of, like, the every day habits. And in that desk, I observe an entire slew of issues from, like, I’ve checkboxes for did I sweat? Did I stretch? Did I meditate? Did I do my morning pages? Did I do a thought mannequin? Did I take medication, nutritional vitamins, so on and so forth? So you might go down the laundry record of the issues that you just hold observe of for your self.

And, you understand, that is multi functional desk however I show it in several sections. So, I don’t need to assume by way of it suddenly on a regular basis. I get by way of what I’m a given second. And so, this every day web page, it really has, like, I feel 4 sections to it. And so there’s a web page that’s worthy of my consideration at 5:00 within the morning once I’m, like, pre-coffee and simply attempting to get my mind in right here. However there’s additionally a bit of it that’s like noon examine in and a bit of it that’s extra in direction of the top of the day. And in every of those areas, I take advantage of my behavior tracker and I show totally different fields. So totally different properties. So, within the morning, the one factor I actually care about is, like, did I keep in mind to take…? You understand, did I keep in mind to have some water and what time did I get up? That type of factor. However later within the day, there’s fields for meals and monitoring signs. Like, I’ve power sinus points so I observe all of the signs associated to that simply so I can see going again, “Oh, hey, you understand, this has really been bugging me for a few weeks now, not simply a few days. And simply provides me all this wealthy details about what’s occurring in my world from a daily foundation. In order that’s type of how I leap off from the every day web page.

Katie: I’m taking notes and mapping out all this stuff that I would like so as to add to mine. So, discuss a bit bit extra about templates as a result of I feel this is likely one of the large strengths of Notion. And I do know that there appears to be a capability to share templates as a result of I’ve used templates that different individuals have created. I haven’t gotten excellent at creating my very own templates but however this has been on my record as a result of numerous the issues I do are repetitive. And creating them as a template, like a every day to do record or weekly planning for my staff, issues like that, it appears actually, actually useful. So, stroll us by way of the benefits of templates and the best way to type of determine the best way to use them.

Sandra: Yeah. So, the phrase template is utilized in a few other ways and form of the Notion sphere if you’ll. So, the excessive degree model of a template is, like, you understand, you may construct out no matter you need your pages and tables to seem like, after which you may really share that complete setup with different individuals. And so, while you say you’ve introduced templates into your system, that’s what you’re speaking about there. There’s really a option to share it on the net. And while you first go into Notion, you may, like, click on the duplicate button on a shared template and it’ll switch that complete setup into your setup. So once I work with purchasers privately, that’s typically what we do is as soon as I get them arrange with the fundamentals, they usually’re rocking and rolling, they usually’ve acquired the technical abilities down, which solely takes, you understand, an hour or two to do, then we switch my template into their system. My template’s a bit little bit of a whopper, proper, as a result of I, you understand, do that day in and day trip. And that’s one option to form of streamline issues is to search out an individual that you just like Notion already, you understand, both by way of YouTube or no matter, after which both buy or search for a free template which you could switch in your system. It’s an enormous time saver as a result of these templates, in the event that they’re designed properly will include all these tables that we’re speaking about pre-linked collectively. So that you don’t have to sit down there and type of figuring all of the format. It additionally eases issues from the standpoint. I prefer to say that Notion doesn’t have an opinion about the way you handle your online business or your life. And in order that’s each a superb factor and a nasty factor. And it’s that them not having an opinion implies that it’s a must to have an opinion. All of us have time for ourselves, how are we utilizing Notion, the place are we gonna begin our day? What’s gonna be an important? After which, but it surely implies that we get to resolve all that stuff, versus having to fall into regardless of the software program developer determined was the easiest way to do one thing.

In order that’s templates at a excessive degree. However there’s additionally templates throughout the system which are like for any given database, you may have a template that would prefill info. So, like, finest instance for me is in a piece, I’ve a template particularly for my assembly log, if you’ll. And so, once I began new issues, say, I’ve a brand new gross sales plan or one thing like that, I even have prefilled questions that I like to ensure I ask. And so, once I begin a dialog of that nature, I can simply press a button on that desk, launches a brand new web page, with all of these questions preloaded… So I don’t even have to consider it. One other method can be perhaps, like, you’re operating a podcast, for instance, sure steps that you just comply with for the podcast, most likely on a weekly foundation, on a month-to-month foundation episode. And so, these form of checklists, if you’ll, might be their very own template in a system so that each time you begin a brand new podcast, you understand, content material calendar on your month or your quarter might open that up and also you’d have all new checkboxes to start out your circulation of data. And I’m utilizing checkboxes simply to make the instance. However your templates can get actually advanced with nested tables and ask associated info. So it’s actually… That is what makes Notion superior is that it’s so malleable to what the consumer really wants. It may be tremendous easy with simply a few checkboxes, all actually highly effective, and you might use it to handle a staff or run a enterprise. After which the third one, like, so many templates… So the third kind of template is definitely what we name a template button. And a template button is a totally totally different type of function in Notion, the place it simply exists on the web page and you may put something into it that you just wanna replicate. And I like to make use of it as a result of it provides the title of the web page a prefilled label, so it pops in versus utilizing a template in a desk, which doesn’t try this. And you may type of sneak them in all through. And so, if there’s sure issues that you just do on a repeated foundation, however perhaps aren’t so advanced, that it’s value placing them in their very own desk, then you may, you understand, use these template buttons simply to form of streamline a course of or create a set of reminders or, like I mentioned, it’s good for making a set of checkboxes that perhaps you do each week or month or one thing.

Katie: Yeah, I’m considering of so many new methods to make use of this for lots extra areas of my life definitely. Does this…? Can notion combine straight with different techniques that folks is likely to be utilizing? As an example, you talked about Slack or Calendar apps or can it combine straight with any of this stuff or is it standalone?

Sandra: So proper now it’s standalone. What I’ll say is that Notion has the power to embed numerous apps. So what which means is Notion is principally entry by way of the slack command. And also you press that, and also you’ll see an inventory of choices. And as you begin typing, it type of narrows all the way down to what you want. One of many issues you are able to do is you may, like, embed a Google doc, or a picture, or numerous different issues. Simply final week, there was a launch Notion put out a discover that they’re within the midst of testing API, which is principally the decision that functions use to speak between one another. And so it’s gonna be in beta early subsequent 12 months. So, fingers crossed someday earlier than the top of subsequent 12 months, we’re gonna even have true integration with different functions. However proper now, standalone. And I’ll say, although, each time I’ve had that, like, once I used to do it or a few of these different apps which are on the market to assist meet my life, I all the time discovered myself including extra to it than I might actually moderately course of. So there’s one thing about API that may ship us on a path of virtually, like, over-integrating issues. So, in some methods, I’m type of grateful that Notion has been the standalone function as a result of it actually encourages curating what you’re placing in there, versus simply dumping all the pieces in there after which not likely having the ability to use it to execute on the issues that you just wanna be capable to do.

Katie: That’s superior. I do know one other type of unrelated factor that I take advantage of it for that I most likely might determine the best way to templatized higher, however that I like to recommend to those who is likely to be a brand new one, even for you as I take advantage of it to do one thing known as the Feynman approach. And I hold what would principally be like a journal, however the place I form of put all of my Feyman approach summaries proper now. And for anyone who’s not acquainted, I’ve talked about it a bit bit on the podcast earlier than however the Feyman approach is principally the concept you have got realized one thing when you have got the power to obviously and concisely clarify it to a baby. And fortunately, I’ve numerous kids to truly observe this and clarify to every single day. However that is one thing I do each time I learn a brand new ebook or watch a TED discuss or study a brand new idea by researching or actually delve into the research on a subject. And I discover it actually helps recall. However by committing this stuff to an precise written kind, I even have them in a single place for reference. So if I ever want to return and keep in mind one thing from a ebook or from an idea that I’ve realized, it’s in a single place, and Notion provides me an important place to trace all of those. After which I may also, like, simply discover them to share them, if I must with my staff or no matter it might be. In order that’s a tip I like to offer mothers is it actually helps I discover improve recall and creativity. And for those who’re not an enormous fan of writing, you should use one other app known as Otter in your telephone to talk into your telephone and clarify, and it’ll transcribe it for you so then you may put it in Notion. In order that’s type of like the way you mentioned you employ it as a journal. That’s form of the best way I form of every day journal with it. And then you definately talked about you additionally use it to trace issues like targets, and I do too, however I’ve a sense you’re gonna have some ideas of higher ways in which I will be utilizing this to trace targets. So, do you construct templates for that or how do you map out after which hold observe of targets inside Notion?

Sandra: Yeah. So, monitoring of targets, I do OKR course of, which has been actually revolutionary for me personally, as a result of I all the time discovered SMART targets to be a bit too bossy, if you’ll. I’m a insurgent at coronary heart. And so, the second somebody tells me what to do, I are inclined to do the other. So SMART objective by no means fairly labored for me as a result of I simply wished to insurgent towards it. However there’s one thing in regards to the OKR methodology the place while you make the targets, the form of inspirational/aspirational issues that you just’re attempting to do in your online business or your life, the affect that you just’re attempting to have, the main focus, and also you set these up first, out of the blue having key outcomes, that are basically SMART targets, they’re well timed and particular, it feels much more approachable to me. And there are issues that I actually care about. So I’m capable of, you understand, harness that energy. And so the best way my system is configured is I’ve targets and outcomes each in separate tables. After which I additionally am an enormous fan of Charlie Gilkey, and the Productive Flourishing Academy. He has a ebook known as “Begin Ending,” which for those who haven’t learn it or seen it, I extremely advocate it. It’s only a nice ebook for anyone actually. Like, I’ve seen professionals use it. I’ve seen creatives use it. I’ve seen mother and father use it. It’s only a neat methodology for planning the best way to really end the issues that we begin, proper? So, the best way I take advantage of the momentum planning methodology in Notion is, I’ve another tables, one’s for initiatives, which I consider as type of just like the smaller steps to creating my key outcomes occur. After which I’ve a desk for actions or duties with a extremely micro degree. I must, you understand, replace this factor or analysis this factor, no matter, the duties I must deal with. After which, to make it much more strong, I’ve yet another desk that I take advantage of, which I name areas, which is supposed to be form of wheel of life, if you’ll. So, any form of part to my life that I wanna have an intentional observe round and chew with, I arrange within the areas.

And so it’s form of like having a objective, but it surely takes off, like I mentioned, that point stress, in order that it’s simply, you understand, periodically, I’m going in and I take a look at these issues that matter to me, and I can type of… You understand, a few of them have checkboxes, a few of them have tables, a few of them simply have quotes to remind me of issues. So it’s a really fluid course of by the point it will get to areas, but it surely permits me to separate out issues I care about that I wanna be intentional about from precise measurable spindles that I’ve in my enterprise. And all of those tables, very areas of my system. So all of them seem in my weekly evaluation. They seem on… A few of them are on the every day web page or I even have two different dashboards that I take advantage of after the every day web page on a daily foundation. They usually’re known as the As we speak Web page and The This Week Web page. And people principally permit me to have, like I mentioned, time-based perspective on what it’s I’m attempting to create.

Katie: I like that. I do know, like… I feel, OKR, I’m an enormous fan as properly. I’ll put a few of my favourite sources associated to understanding that within the shownotes. I feel it’s relevant to everybody. I do know it’s typically utilized in enterprise, however I feel it’s really very related to folks as properly, so far as planning long-term issues with our children, definitely for homeschooling mother and father and having targets associated to that. And I additionally use it, like I mentioned, in my private life for private improvement issues or new abilities I’m attempting to study and maintaining observe of all of these. I really feel like there’s simply so some ways to make use of that.

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And a few different ways in which I take advantage of Notion, generally, are for maintaining observe of issues like Christmas present concepts or present concepts, generally, for all my children. I’ve issues like that as a result of they have a tendency to say issues all year long. After which fairly than having to consider them, simply at the moment of the 12 months, additionally issues like home updates and initiatives issues I must, like, work towards with that. And also you talked about additionally issues like well being metrics, which can be related to lots of people listening. How can we use Notion to maintain observe of this stuff or how would you set that up?

Sandra: Yeah, so that is the place Notion can actually be an entire, like, life working system. And I say that… And, you understand, I’m all the time very… I work with numerous rookies and numerous proper mind form of inventive thoughts map kind individuals. And so I’ve a smooth spot for them. And I do know that saying the phrase working system just isn’t all the time engaging to all people. However on the identical time, it’s only a method of harnessing all that creativity and all these concepts you have got, and placing the knowledge that we’re all monitoring in our heads down and to get, once more. That’s the important thing factor for me, whether or not we’re about education and even simply serving to your children hold observe of their schoolwork. And if they’re doing on-line class or their chore schedule or their after faculty occasions or one which I did lately that I type of amused myself with is I arrange an entire desk that’s, like, I name them weekly quests. And it’s principally a gamified model of maintaining observe of all of the issues that I don’t need to do every single day however I must do a number of instances every week. And principally the best way the desk works is I’ve a few formulation inbuilt in order that so long as I vacuum as soon as every week, I get a thumbs up and a superb job. But when I vacuum twice every week, then it provides me a bonus. And of this previous gamified factor with formulation in there that simply amuses me to no finish. And it really encourages me to do this stuff that I would in any other case procrastinate or simply really feel like, “Oh, I’m too drained, it will possibly wait till tomorrow.” After which you know the way that goes. Like, then it’s like three days later and you continue to haven’t vacuumed or no matter. So I prefer to put enjoyable issues in there. So it doesn’t all the time really feel like, oh, that is, like, yet another factor I’ve to do. The important thing factor for me with Notion, like, I really wish to open it on the weekend, which I’ve by no means felt earlier than with another app. So, by way of, like, attending to a extra sensible reply to your query, one of many issues that I take advantage of or that I did at Notion this 12 months that was tremendous useful is we moved.

And so not solely did I’ve in there our lists of we have been in search of in a home and, like, our ideally suited, you understand, options and what have been the necessities, individuals stored observe of the dialog, the realtor and, like, the entire homes we visited, type of like doing a professional con record on them. After which when it acquired time for the transfer, I did an entire stock. So I numbered all of the containers. After which once I packed a field, I simply made, like, a 3 phrase or a 3 sentence, only a actually fast… What am I attempting to say? Three phrase, there we go. Three phrase description of what went within the field. And so then I used to be capable of after we moved, and it’s like, okay, we want no matter, the espresso grinder. I might really search the desk and discover it. And I knew, okay, that is field 89 or no matter it was. And I’ve to say, I believed I used to be over-engineering it and type of laughing at myself however I used to be having a lot enjoyable doing it, I did it anyway, and it completely paid off. Like, it was properly definitely worth the effort I put in to have the ability to observe down, you understand, no matter pot and pan and my spices come that first week after the transfer. In order that’s form of, like, a sensible method that you might use an app like this to make your life simpler.

Katie: And one other factor we’ve talked about a bit bit, however I wanna ensure that we are saying explicitly is that as a result of Notion is an app, it has each desktop and telephone interfaces after which, in fact, they sync. And in order that’s been actually useful to me as a result of, as an example, like a number of the issues we’ve talked about, like meal planning, I can pull that up once I’m on the retailer. I can work on this stuff once I’m at an appointment with the youngsters or ready on the youngsters in an exercise as a result of my telephone is just about all the time with me. And so it’s tremendous handy that method however then it’s straightforward additionally to work on a desktop while you’re organising a few of these greater initiatives and greater issues. I’m curious, I imply, clearly, you’re most likely an influence consumer of Notion, however how a lot are you interacting with Notion throughout any regular day?

Sandra: It’s a superb query. I’m out and in of it just about all day lengthy. I’ll say although, you understand, I nonetheless hold a paper journal once I’m on the telephone, oftentimes, as a result of I’m displaying someone else the best way to use Notion. So we’re of their Notion setup. However I discover it useful for my mind to put in writing some issues down. After which I’ve a course of on the finish of the week, the place I type of undergo that record and make it possible for all the pieces’s in Notion the best way I need it to be and that, you understand, I can hold observe of all of the little particulars and the nuances. So, I discover it to be a extremely fluid factor by way of, you understand, some days I’m in there, like, actually nearly all day. Now granted, I’m a Notion marketing consultant in order that is smart. However even on days once I’m engaged on different issues or serving to someone with a web site or different enterprise techniques, I’m nonetheless out and in just about all day. And I might say the opposite two issues I’ll throw out, I like that you just talked about the online, desktop, telephone, and it really works on iPad rather well. In reality, they’ve made numerous enhancements within the final couple of months on the way it works on iPad. And so, it’s like nearly so many enhancements that I type of wanna get a model new iPad simply so I can use it. It’s nice to have the ability to see it in all these totally different codecs. And there’s a new factor on the brand new iOS working… You understand, the newest replace for iOS really has this factor known as widgets, which if individuals haven’t seen them or checked them out but, they’re actually cool. They principally put little mini apps, if you’ll, proper in your telephone display screen. And the Notion widget is tremendous useful as a result of it will possibly take, like, the primary few issues in your favorites. So, like, my favorites, the pages are every day, fast seize, and my immediately web page plus a number of others. And I even have that widget proper on my telephone in order that, you understand, if I’m within the kitchen, making a cup of tea between calls, and I consider one thing, I can pop it open and add it to my fast seize or no matter web page is smart actually simply and on the fly. So there’s numerous, like, you understand, you’re not locked into solely being in your browser, solely be in your desktop, you have got numerous choices and methods to entry it that may make life simpler.

Katie: Superior. And also you talked about to start with, it is a troublesome factor to elucidate totally, simply verbally as a result of it’s very a lot hands-on and visible as properly. However I do know that is one thing that you just do assist individuals with and you’ve got a web site associated to. So, for individuals who wish to perceive extra and who wish to begin integrating this, I’ll make it possible for hyperlink is within the present notes however type of stroll us by way of the way you assist individuals with that and the sources you have got.

Sandra: Yeah, so for various kinds of purchasers are totally different. I actually would like to have a gaggle of mothers or dads simply households that wanna use it for homeschool or private stuff and all of that stuff. So what I’m gonna do is ready up a bit discussion board on my web site so if anyone’s involved in that type of factor, they will let me know after which we are able to determine it out within the new 12 months. And the opposite factor I’ll throw out, you could find Twitter at notionnerd and Instagram @notionnerd additionally. So the easiest way to search out me is on sandrahalling com. And for those who put in /wellnessmama, you land on a web page that can have some attention-grabbing info that’s, like, geared in direction of serving to households. And I really would like to have a workshop subsequent 12 months, particularly with that as a goal. So I’ll put in a bit factor that if that’s of curiosity to anyone, they will enroll and let me know. Principal methods I work with individuals proper now could be by way of enterprise teaching and techniques help. And so, typically individuals are available they usually need simply Notion and so we’ll deep dive over 30 days to get each step up and rocking and rolling. After which typically what individuals want is extra of, like, a type of slower burn, if you’ll. So we do a 3 to 6 months strategy to dig into the totally different techniques they’ve of their enterprise and streamline issues, join all of the dots. Like, simply this morning, I used to be serving to a consumer join their Google calendar with their iCloud, with their Macbook, with their telephone, like, all these little doodads go collectively. And so Notion is form of like one piece of the puzzle for me, but it surely spine of the techniques I arrange. So, once more, you could find me on the net at sandrahalling.com or on Twitter or Instagram at notionnerd.

Katie: Excellent. I’ll ensure that these are linked right here. And one other query I like to ask on the finish. You talked about one already, but when there’s a ebook or plenty of books which have had a dramatic affect in your life, and if that’s the case what they’re and why?

Sandra: Yeah. So, I’ve to say that one of the crucial impactful books for me is “Getting Issues Performed,” which is form of a basic within the productiveness area. So, I discovered it most respected or most impactful within the sense that it taught me the best way to group, and categorize, and course of info in a method that I hadn’t seen earlier than. And it got here out once I was fairly younger in my profession, I feel I used to be about 20 or so. So it simply hit me on the proper second to create what we have now now, which is, you understand, database marketing consultant now for a few years. So, that was actually impactful. And clearly “Begin Ending” is type of an important instrument now. I feel “Getting Issues Performed” is form of a basic, but in addition it was written 20 years in the past. So there’s some components to it, the place our lives have simply modified a lot. And I feel “Begin Ending” does a greater job of addressing the entire totally different avenues that our lives take and the way a lot info comes at us and simply form of managing the combination there. After which different books that, like, actually matter to me on a private degree have been, like, some Ram Dass books, “Paths to God.” And Eckert Tolle’s “A New Earth” was additionally actually impactful for me as a result of it simply gave me a special perspective on issues. And I like mixing this stuff. So it’s each my life holistically, provides me a need to wanna manage it extra. In order that’s type of how these two issues tie collectively for me.

Katie: Nice suggestions. I’ll ensure that these are linked within the present notes as properly. I’m so glad I acquired to share extra about Notion immediately as a result of like I mentioned, it’s a instrument that I discover actually invaluable. And I additionally one, I really feel like I’m not utilizing them as a lot as I might be. And I’m excited to have realized extra from you immediately. And hopefully shared a brand new useful resource with most of the individuals listening that may simplify their lives. However thanks on your time immediately and for all of the work you’re doing.

Sandra: Thanks a lot, Katie. It was numerous enjoyable.

Katie: And thanks guys, as all the time for listening, for sharing your most respected useful resource, your time with each of us immediately. We’re so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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